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Science vs Religion Part 2: Theories and Explanation Schemas

By: The Baron

[Part 2 in a multi-part series on Science & Religion from an LDS perspective.  Previous entries in the series: Part 1]

For the next step in analyzing the relationship between science and religion, let’s look at how the search for truth is accomplished in both.  To do this, we need first to define a word that gets thrown around a lot in science vs. religion discussions: “Theory”

A theory is an explanation that matches current evidence.  And—this is important--is subject to change at any time, given new evidence.

Any (honest) scientist will admit that science has complete answers for very little in regard to humankind and the universe.  Rather than full “explanations” there are what we can call “explanation schemas” or “explanation frameworks” which combine the (often small) quantity of known facts with fairly educated guesses as to how the rest might come together based on what we know already.

That theoretical framework is NOT set in stone, but rather constantly adjusted as new discoveries are made.  Often changes to theories are small, but sometimes big discoveries can result in dramatic changes to how that explanation schema is architected.

But—here’s the point—just the fact that changes are made to this schema over time does not fundamentally invalidate it.  Part of the scientific process is hypothesizing a theory, gathering the evidence, and then adjusting (or discarding) the theory as needed.

A good parable to how this works, courtesy of “Fishing For Chelsea”:

Say you got a ticket to a baseball game, but you got a seat where you could only see the pitcher and the batter. You couldn’t see the umpire, the catcher, the other fielders, or even the other bases or the scoreboard. This is a really terrible seat!

But as you watch the game, you start to notice patterns. This is like a scientific theory. You figure out that when the hitter hits the ball, he takes off running. You figure out that there must be a catcher, since the ball keeps being thrown back to the pitcher. And after a few games (you got a season pass in this awful seat), you start to figure out more technicalities, like balls and strikes. You start feeling really confident in your theory. Every time the ball is thrown, it fits into your theory of baseball.

But then one time when you’re watching the ball, there are three strikes and the runner takes off towards first base. What?! That doesn’t fit into your theory at all. So you modify your theory. You add the “third strike drop” rule that accounts for when the catcher drops the ball on a third strike, then the hitter gets to run to the bases. Now your theory works again.

But do you really understand what it is to watch baseball? Do you really understand all the rules? I’m sure you don’t. But from your terrible seat and limited perspective, you’ve done a lot to figure out what’s happening.


In the early days of astronomy through Aristotle and Ptolemy, the established theory was that the earth was the center of the universe, and that the sun, moon and stars all revolved around it.  This theory explained much of the existing evidence and observation…but not all of it.  When the contrary evidence became too powerful to be ignored, the theory changed.

Continuing on to the days of Copernicus, the new theory of the solar system became: the sun was the center of the universe and the earth and other planets revolved around it in perfectly circular orbits.  Again, this matched much of the existing evidence, but not all of it.  When the contrary evidence became too powerful to be ignored, the theory changed again.

In the 17th century, primarily through the work of Johannes Kepler, the connection was made that orbits of the Earth and planets were ellipses instead of pure circles.  While far from the final change to the scientific theories regarding the solar system, this was a major discovery that made virtually all of the existing data and observations to that point ‘magically’ come into clarity all at once.

A study of the history of astronomy through the centuries shows any number of changes—many major--to the theories regarding the earth, the solar system, and the entire universe.  While new theories will frequently invalidate older theories, the fact that older theories were eventually discarded does not invalidate science itself.  In fact, replacing older theories with new theories when more knowledge is gained *IS* science.

Here’s the rub, though:  religion is EXACTLY the same way.

Religion, like science, provides its own ‘explanation-schema’ which places the current quantity of knowledge regarding ‘things of the spirit’ in a framework by which (often temporary and incomplete) conclusions can be made.  Then—here’s the point—it’s adjusted as new knowledge is obtained, even to the extent (as with the ‘earth-as-the-center-of-universe’ theory) of being discarded entirely in lieu of new theories. 

An example of this is the basic concept of “Heaven” and “Hell”, a religious standard that has held force in virtually all Christian religions throughout history.  In the 19th century, through Doctrine & Covenants 88, the LDS perspective on the “Heaven/Hell” paradigm changed to a more fuller (and complex) understanding through the revealed “Three Kingdoms (+ Outer Darkness)” doctrine.

Note that this new doctrine does not actually reject or invalidate the original concept of heaven and hell—only expands upon what was originally a simple understanding with additional details.  Like mankind’s knowledge of astronomy, we started with the basic, simplistic explanation, and then added more complexities to it as they were revealed.

Is there still room for additional knowledge and understanding?  Of course:  we know very little about how many levels are within each kingdom, how you define a ‘level’ within that context anyway, whether we have contact with those in other kingdoms (or different levels within each kingdom), and any number of questions we can create concerning the details.
 
Whether or not these questions can or cannot be answered with existing scriptures (or experimentation in the laboratory), we still have a framework by which knowledge about the afterlife can be organized and added (“line by line, precept by precept…”).

Here’s the irony: each group (speaking generally about the committed adherents to both science and religion) will openly admit amongst themselves that their scope of knowledge is limited and incomplete.

When they face-off with each other, though—look out!    Suddenly ALL admissions of limited and incomplete knowledge fly out the window.  Both science and religion (when confronting the other) suddenly become complete and flawless sources of human knowledge about ALL things that the other could not possibly hope to emulate.  (As with politics, any honest admission of weakness or limitation on either side becomes ammunition for the other.)

No wonder “science vs. religion” appears to be in conflict, when the most extreme followers on both sides seem to make it their mission to CAUSE conflict with the other side!

Just as one can question whether you must accept ALL governmental policies of the Democrats, or ALL the policies of the Republicans (but certainly never parts of one and parts of the other), we must question whether the conflict between science and religion is genuinely true, or largely just overblown rhetoric.  *Must* one choose either one side or the other?

Part of the process of reconciling the two is, first, admitting that neither side knows all things, or even most things.  Second, is understanding that both science and religion are constantly in a state of flux as new knowledge is added, and existing theories are tweaked.  Third, is entertaining the possibility that one side just might have something to offer the other in helping to fill in their gaps of human knowledge.

Next: The problem of 'speculation' and bias 

Print | posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 7:02 AM | Filed Under [ The Baron General Theology Science ]

Comments:

#1: Lincoln Cannon

I agree, Baron, with your assessment that both science and religion should be considered incomplete works toward improved understanding. I think it's important to point out that such a perspective resonates strongly with Mormonism's insistence on continuing revelation.
3/11/2008 10:51 AM

#2: Jeff G

Okay, there are a couple of issues which I think are worth mentioning.

First of all, science is not aimed at ultimate, once-and-for-all Truth-with-a-capital-"T", but rather working models which account for the data. This is the lesson that Einstein taught us, that scientists can never know if they have the Truth or not. Scientists admit this to each other just as much as they do to the public.

What the scientists say to religionists is not that they are the arbiters of Truth, but rather that science is the best way we have of getting at the Truth of the natural world, imperfect though it may be. It is for this reason that religion is continually conforming to science rather than the other way around.

Religion, however, is different. The religionists claim both to themselves as well as to others that they have the Truth, not some model which merely accounts for the data. (Indeed, it is difficult to imagine what counts as "data" to the religionist.) This is what pushes people, including yourself Baron, into seeing religious knowledge as accumulative. And this is the rub.

Science has proven itself to be a remarkably reliable source of knowledge about the natural world, even though it acknowledges itself to be imperfect. Religion, on the other hand, has proven itself to be a remarkably unreliable source of knowledge about the natural world (historical records excluded) and yet refuses to acknowledge its failings in this area, always anticipating that further light and knowledge which will somehow validate all thee wrong ideas it has taught. Science says "No, we're not perfect, but it should be clear from anybody whose ever flown on an airplane that we're the best available." Religion says, "Although you'd never in a million years guess it from our track record, as viewed from your limited perspective, we're actually perfect."

Both sides make claims which are sure to call the other side to arms.
3/11/2008 12:39 PM

#3: The Baron

The key phrase here is "...about the natural world".

Whether 'religion' is right about the existence of God or the afterlife (for example) remains to be seen, and there is no reason to assume it is "unreliable" when it comes to those things.

When making judgments about the age of the Earth, or other elements that are accessible to the scientific method, though, you're right to wonder about religion's reliability...however the question is whether "religion" really makes such specific claims about areas covered by science, or whether that's just speculation of *some* religious believers.

Does "religion" claim that the Earth was created 6000 years ago, in a process that took exactly seven 24-hour days? Not necessarily...

Some believers do, certainly, but there's nothing fundamental about "religion" that means you MUST accept that to be true in lieu of scientific evidence suggesting otherwise. (This is more or less the point of this entire series... The issue of "speculation" in both science and religion will, coincidently, be coming next in Part 3)

Part of the problem is that "religion" (in terms of scripture and revelation) says much less about how "the natural world" is than many people think. (And science, for their part, often exaggerates the extent to which religious believers reject scientific discoveries...)

Does the 'unreliability' of (some) religious believers opinions towards the age of the Earth imply that, say, God therefore doesn't exist or mankind does not have a spirit that lives after death? That conclusion would be an overreach on science's part... Both sides get themselves in trouble when they look beyond the mark and make conclusions about how things MUST be, based on what we already know, when those conclusions aren't based on anything solid...
3/11/2008 1:07 PM

#4: Jeff G

Man, I'm having some issues trying to get through the spam filters.
3/11/2008 1:40 PM

#5: Jeff G

I don't necessarily disagree with anything you have said, however, I do think there are some consequences which must also be embraced, given your response.

For starters, religion does make some claims about the natural world. If religion is so unreliable at making claims about the natural world, where things can be verified, why should we believe that it is any more reliable when it comes to making extra-natural claims, where things cannot be verified? In fact, shouldn't we expect extra-natural claims to be even less reliable since empirical verification is not able to "tether" theories to this extra-natural reality? After all, if nobody can disprove me, why can't I say pretty much anything I want?
3/11/2008 1:40 PM

#6: Jeff G

I also worry about your move to suggest that the Bible doesn't imply a recent creation and other such instances of factual claims about the natural world. I can see three possibilities:

One - The Bible implies a recent creation.
Two - The Bible implies a temporally distant creation.
Three - The Bible implies nothing at all about the time of creation.

'Two' seems clearly false. 'Three' seems to make Biblical claims meaningless and without consequence. 'One' seems most plausible, yet most incompatible with science.

The worst part is that this claim generalizes for claims about the mechanisms of creation, the extent of the flood, the center of the universe, etc. Of course the favorite move of the Bible-believing religionist is to say that the Bible doesn't literally claim X whenever science shows X to be highly unlikely. Does the Bible say anything at all in such cases?
3/11/2008 1:41 PM

#7: Jeff G

One more question. What, exactly, do you mean by religion and science? By science do you have in mind the typical run of the mill physicist who may or may not believe in God or whatever else, or do you mean one who adheres to scientism a la Dawkins? Of course the idea that evolution or an ancient earth disproves the existence of God is absurd, but surely is does pose SOME problems for religion, if only by calling its credentials to teach truth into question.
3/11/2008 1:48 PM

#8: The Baron

First of all, we should note that while "science" can largely be considered as one group, there are a great many "religions", and even limiting the discussion to Christian "religion", you still have a wide variety of opinions about what the Bible really says. Surely you know some Christian churches have a more literal stance in terms of Biblical creation, and others less strict? As Lincoln mentions at the beginning, LDS philosophy and theology is FAR more forgiving towards scientific evidence than many other Christian faiths...yet still counts as "religion", obviously. If one is going to argue that science contradicts religion, one must be clear what "religion" we are talking about.

The key question is: can one come up with a theory that both corresponds to what's in the Bible *as written* and to current scientific evidence? In terms of the Creation, I submit: 'yes': there's no reason one *cannot* view the Biblical "day" as something other than a 24-hour period...after all, the terms 'hour' and 'day' are relative--they compare only to the movement of other celestial bodies, which didn't exist yet in Genesis 1:1. The Bible may 'imply' a recent creation, and sure, many Christians reject alternate interpretations, but that's irrelevant...one can accept a more complex Creation that includes evolution without literally "contradicting the Bible". The fact that (some) religious believer's claims about science can't be supported can't be used to indict "religion" as a whole, because we can find any number of religious believers who never made that claim in the first place.

(By the same token, the fact that Copernicus was wrong about circular orbits doesn't automatically mean every *other* scientific discovery he made is invalid...nor, of course, does it imply that for any other scientist of his day either)

The other important point here is that virtually all the 'conflicts' between science and religion happen on science's "home turf" if you will. Science has no concrete explanation for angelic visitations, miraculous healings, visions, spiritual experiences, answered prayers, or any number of things that people have testified about throughout history--all things that present 'evidence' that there's something more to the universe than the "natural world". If religion's credibility isn't too good as far as explaining natural phenomena, how good is science at explaining 'supernatural' phenomena? (This goes back to my main thesis that science and religion are just two parts of the same whole...)

Science, wisely, doesn't try too hard to disprove any of these because (a) they can't, and (b) they don't need to--science's concern is the natural world, and arguably it is those non-religious claims of religion that cause the conflict between the two in the first place. The "battle" between science and religion isn't whether Joseph Smith saw God the Father and Jesus Christ in a grove of trees, it's whether the earth was once covered completely in water several thousand years ago. (Obviously science has a clear advantage in one battle versus the other...)

As I said, religion's 'reliability' in terms of spiritual matters has yet to be determined (with the standard caveat that there are many religions), but unless science can produce answers to religion's religious claims--not just their secular claims--the ultimate credibility of religion remains intact.
3/11/2008 2:39 PM

#9: Jeff G

I'm not entirely sure that you addressed the points I raised. Let me try to be a little clearer. Here are my worries:

1- Religion has apparently made claims about the natural world which are in conflict with science. (While the Bible doesn't insist upon a recent creation, it does give us good reason to believe in one all the same. Even if the Bible isn't flat out lying on the subject, it is certainly misleading.)

2- The unreliability of religion in accounting for the natural world speaks to their (un)reliability in accounting for the extra-natural world. (The forced compatibility between the Bible and science seems to be nothing more than ad hoc finagling.)

3- If the empirical data can be covered by natural claims only, there seems to be not need to invoke extra-natural claims at all. (Science sees no explanatory use for, or need to explain extra-natural phenomena.)
3/11/2008 3:25 PM

#10: BC

“First of all, we should note that while "science" can largely be considered as one group, there are a great many "religions", and even limiting the discussion to Christian "religion", you still have a wide variety of opinions about what the Bible really says.” - The Baron

This is the beauty of science. It works over time toward a consensus where religion tends to splinter.

I don’t know how anyone hopes to reconcile science and religion when religion is not reconciled with itself.
3/11/2008 7:10 PM

#11: The Baron

Describing the Bible as "misleading" depends entirely on what you think it is supposed to be 'leading' you to.

The creation of the Earth section in Genesis covers just a couple of pages. The user's manual for my graphing calculator is several hundred pages--and that just covers how to use it, let alone how to manufacture and program one in the first place. Genesis is not meant to be a detailed analysis of HOW the Earth is created (unless you assume creating a world filled with millions of life forms is somehow much simpler than creating a graphing calculator). The Creation account in Genesis is meant to teach one thing: God created the Earth. (If it was meant to be a detailed analysis of how it was created it would, you know, have more details.)

It's only 'misleading' if you believe the purpose was to teach something else. I don't believe it was... Hasn't stopped people from speculating on the details, of course, but the fact that some of the speculation might be wrong doesn't invalidate the basic teaching behind Genesis in the first place: namely God exists and created the Earth (somehow). Unless you make a case that God (if He exists) could not have created the world through gravity, evolution, etc... (i.e. natural processes) then this fundamental principle remains unblemished--many religious believers including myself have no problem incorporating science into our beliefs. Why assume God must work outside of science?

If the empirical data can be covered by natural claims only, there seems to be not need to invoke extra-natural claims at all.


But science is nowhere near being able to explain everything about the natural world either. Currently, science has no explanation for where 90% of the matter and energy of the universe is, and whose basic theory about the foundation of the universe involves a dimensionless point of matter floating in nothingness which explodes and creates all matter. That's what the evidence suggests, of course, but if that's not just as abstract and unfalsifiable a premise as "God said 'Let there be light' and there was light' then what is?

You'll get no argument from me that religion (again, speaking generally of *some* religious believers) is its own worst enemy when it comes to defending its own credibility when making speculative claims about the world. But science is hardly 'united', either--there's still much disagreement about the nature and existence of dark matter (let alone more 'out there' ideas such as string and multiverse theory). Even global warming currently has differing scientific interpretations of the evidence.

Basic point is the same: you can still believe in evolution and be 'religious'. You can still believe in God and be 'scientific'. There's no fundamental conflict between science and religion unless you personally feel like creating one.
3/11/2008 9:31 PM

#12: Jeff G

Sorry for the multiple small posts, but I have a hard time getting the longer posts through the filter for some reason. I think it takes me too long to write them.

That said, you act like the only thing in the Bible which leads one to a young earth conclusion is the first chapter or two of Genesis. It's not. Adam and Eve are repeatedly portrayed as the unique parents of all mankind. Furthermore, they are repeatedly portrayed as having lived about 6,000 years ago. This is completely contrary to science, and furthermore, our heritage from Adam and Eve is very much the intended meaning of some of those passages. To say that the Bible is not misleading, if not completely wrong on this point requires some serious mental gymnastics..
3/12/2008 2:14 AM

#13: Jeff G

"But science is nowhere near being able to explain everything about the natural world either."

I think you are looking at this wrong. The point wasn't "since science already has explained everything, why do we need God?" The point was that since science certainly seems to be able to explain all observable phenomena, in principle at least, why fall back to extra-natural explanations?

While you probably can brush aside this point by noting its close relationship with a God-of-the-gaps, I think the point deserves a little more attention than this.
3/12/2008 2:18 AM

#14: Eric Nielson

I think that this is an area where Mormonism is a revolutionary and powerful thing. Where the typical Christian might say - God created the world, the Mormon might say - God organized the world out of material that already existed. And a lot of other similar things. Preexistence, creation ex nihlio rejection, three degrees of glory, etc. brings new possibilities but also reminds us that we don't know as much as we think we know religiously. I think Mormons ought to be able to embrace science more easily than many other religious groups. Although your mileage may vary.
3/12/2008 9:43 AM

#15: Doc

Jeff G (#13),
I can answer that question. If you look at my post on this subject I address your question directly.

"In science the answer to why we are here is a question of the big bang, expansion of the universe, distilling of elements, primordial ooze and a process of evolution. In religion, these are just details. Why we are here is something different entirely. It is a search for meaning or purpose, not just something that happened."

Some Scientists assume that because they have no empiric way to answer these questions, the answer is that there is no answer. I completely disagree. I think this is the tail wagging the dog. I see no need for that kind of assumption.
3/12/2008 8:30 PM

#16: Jeff G

Okay, I can see that. I must confess, however, that not only do I see no way of empirically addressing the "why" questions, I don't even understand what the "why" questions are supposed to mean. That, however, is one heck of a potential threadjack which I'll steer clear of for now.
3/12/2008 10:22 PM

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