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At the Movies: The Good and Bad of Movie Ratings

By: The Baron

[Part 2 in a brief series about movie content and ratings. Links to earlier posts: Part 1]

The movie rating system has taken a lot of abuse over the years, most of it deserved.  However, it’s worthwhile to try to look at the current movie rating system objectively—considering both the pro’s and con’s—and see what the alternatives are, if any.

The Bad:
  1. They are arbitrary and subjective:  how do you define an “R” level of violence, versus a “PG-13” level?  What’s the difference between “stylized action violence”, or “sci-fi violence” versus, you know, plain old “violence”?  It’s all arbitrary—entirely dependent on the personal opinions of the select group of people who happen to decide ratings. 
  2. They are subject to outside influences  (i.e. major directors and studios get more ‘favorable’ ratings than independent movies)
  3. They are too broad and unspecific.
  4. They aren’t consistent across local cultures (i.e. internationally, where European “PG” movies can contain sex and nudity, since that’s what their culture accepts)  Unless you have a fairly deep understanding of the culture of the country from which the film came, you have even less of an idea what the film contains based on its rating than you do with US films.
#3 is the primary problem in my mind with the current rating system.  With only a few select ratings to choose from for each film, each rating ends up covering a wide variety of ‘content’, which doesn’t allow viewers to make distinctions between various sub-categories of specific content that they might care about (unless they see the film first to know specifically what it contains…and then, of course, it’s too late)

For example, a movie may contain an “R-rated” amount of violence (however that’s defined) but nothing else, and receive the same R rating as a movie that contains the same amount of violence, plus an “R-rated” amount of profanity and nudity, despite the content of the second movie ostensibly being three times as bad as the first.  The rating system seems to presume that every adult movie viewer has exactly the same attitude towards profanity, sex, and violence individually—that if R-rated levels of one category are acceptable to that viewer, the rest are, too.  If you happened to care about one category more than the other, you’re out of luck, because the rating system makes no distinction between them.

(Ironically, this only encourages filmmakers to add more “R-rated” content to their movie, since obviously if they know they’re getting an R for violence already, why NOT add a lot of profanity and nudity as well?  The rating is going to be the same, either way…)

In recent years, the MPAA has starting adding descriptive tag lines in addition to the ratings to better describe the content.  (“Rated PG-13 for crude humor, sensuality, and frightening images”)  This is a positive step, but still not that helpful.  If you see a movie rated R for “strong language, gore, and sexuality”—is the R rating due to the language, gore, or the sex?  It may have only a minor level of gore and sexuality, but the 20 F-words are what put it into the R-rating level.   It’d be nice if you knew the comparative levels of each attribute mentioned in the listing, but you have no way of knowing that from the listing itself, which lumps all characteristics together into one common rating.

Compounding the issue is the recent push to get ‘drug use’—specifically cigarette smoking—included more heavily in the rating process, with some groups even pushing for any movie with cigarette smoking to automatically get an R-rating.

That’s a terrible idea that, if it happens, would only serve to torpedo the rating system’s credibility and usefulness even further.  There’s no question that portraying smoking as ‘cool’ may have the same psychological effect on younger viewers as the traditional PSV material might, as far as influencing human behavior.   However, it’s not likely that the majority of adults care about on-screen depictions of smoking to the same extent that they would care about profanity, violence, and nudity.

Adding in one more element to the generic rating system only exacerbates the problem of discerning true content from the rating—imagine making the previously PG-rated “Casablanca” R after the fact simply because of smoking content.  Is that really equivalent to any of the R-rated gore-fests of today in the minds of modern audiences?   And yet, the ratings would be the same: a new movie viewer coming of age unfamiliar with the history of older movies would have no guidance from the rating system as to how to discern between them.

What’s Good:

What’s the positive about the current ratings system?  Let’s do a thought experiment:

Suppose you’re in a video store and browsing DVDs and see the following movie titles, all of which you know nothing about:
  • Kids
  • Kids in the Hall
  • Spy Kids
  • Swing Kids
  • Kids in America
  • The New Kids
  • The Kids Who Saved Summer
Similar in title, but not similar in content.   As it happens, one of these movies is rated G, one is PG, two are PG-13, two are R, and one is NC-17.  (Quick quiz: can YOU match the movie with the rating?)

Without the ratings, though, you don’t have much to go on other than what you can glean from the box.

Most ratings controversies deal with borderline cases: whether a movie is a high-end PG-13 or a low-end R, etc…  What’s not controversial is that there is a huge difference between a PG movie and an NC-17 movie no matter who you ask.   If you were perusing the above movies, wouldn’t you like to know at the very least which ones are not…you know, ‘kids’ movies?

The rating system may be over-broad with only five categories to cover all films, but those five categories still provide information.  And more information is *always* good.  Just knowing the ratings (broad and arbitrary as they are) will still help you filter out 3-4 titles from the list that you know you have no interest in renting.

The movie rating system (and recently the video game rating system, too) comes under fire a lot…but of course that’s partially because it simply exists in the first place.  You’ll never hear about ‘rating controversies’ regarding books, because books have no ratings at all!  That doesn’t mean, of course, there aren’t the equivalent of PG-rated and NC-17 rated books out there, but without reading them first how would you know?  Regardless of the complaints one can make against the movie rating system, it at the very least provides some basic information about movie content, which is more than can be said about books, plays, comedy clubs, and many other forms of entertainment where discerning viewers are pretty much completely on their own to guess at what's 'appropriate' and what isn't.

More information about content is always better, and we should appreciate even the basic assistance at allowing viewers to choose what they see.

(We should note, also, that the whole purpose of organizing the MPAA was to try to standardize the ratings system, forestalling the creation of many different local rating systems by region, which would have been even more inconsistent from place to place.)

The solution:

If the primary problem with the current rating system is it is too broad and unspecific, then the simple solution is to narrow it down into different categories.

Many parental watch websites take the rating system a step further and classify the specific content into different categories.  Kids-In-Mind, for example, rates every film from 0-10 in each of the traditional PSV categories.  This allows viewers to clearly see the difference between “Whale Rider” (3-3-4) and “The Love Guru” (5-7-4) despite having the same PG-13 rating.  And viewers who care more about violence than sex and nudity have a means of analyzing content by specific categories rather than guessing based on a generic letter rating.

Something similar to this could easily be adaptable to a national system—add in a fourth number for ‘drug use’, classify each film on a 5 or 10 point scale and just include that value in the normal rating box in any advertisement.  (“The Dark Knight” rated PG-13 [3-2-7-3]--opening July 18th")   Instead of merely five categories, using a ten point system allows almost 15,000 distinct ‘ratings’ for films, an exponential improvement for information given to potential viewers.

Would this be arbitrary and subjective, still?  Of course…  Someone is still going to have to decide what’s a “4” in violence and what’s a “6”.  And, of course, there will still be related arguments about "context" and why this movie received X when it is *clearly* better than that movie which received a Y.

But any ratings system will be arbitrary and subjective—there’s no getting around that.  At the very least, this system provides more information about general levels of “objectionable” material, allowing viewers to make more informed choices.

Next:  Are violence and sex treated differently in movies?  Should they be?

Print | posted on Friday, July 11, 2008 8:38 AM | Filed Under [ The Baron General Mormon Culture Family Theology ]

Comments:

#1: Dennis

There are many other problems to the rating system that you don't list. Once again, I'll plug Trevor's post on Thinking in a Marrow Bone.

On that post, I made a comment that criticizes the MPAA ratings because they are focused solely on discrete instances of sex, violence, and profanity -- but they fail to rate the overall values that are being communicated from the movie. This can serve as a distraction to Latter-day Saints about the need to gauge the message that the movie is sending, not simply what it is rated. Here are some excerpts from my comment, which seem appropriate here:

[An over-reliance on movie ratings] can distract us from what really is important concerning proper media watching — and this is not captured by a rating. Second, it can take us away from what is most important regarding what it means to be a Mormon, turning it into a prohibitive moral system. If someone asks you what it means to be Mormon, and specific media prohibitions (or specific Word of Wisdom prohibitions, I would add) come up in the first 10 minutes, then there is a problem!!!

I think we all need to be concerned not just about the uncomfortable things that we sponge up from media — but what about the things that we are perfectly comfortable sponging up? That we are not even aware that we have sponged up? That we perhaps have even falsely associated with the good life? As I said in a comment in another thread, I see even Disney movies as subtly communicating to us and our children all sorts of damning doctrines — rampant individualism, mindless consumerism, female ageism, worldliness, unrealistic relationship expectations, unrealistic body image expectations, fatalism — I could go on and on. Are not these damning life values which are so readily soaked up by our children more to be concerned about than mere images and words that they see and hear? Imagine if our rating systems strongly considered these damning values? If so, some Rs would be rated PG (probably not G) and some Gs would be rated R!

Something to think about.
7/11/2008 6:30 PM

#2: The Baron

But there are two sides to this issue, and they aren't necessarily directly related...

You seem to be arguing that movies with 'good' (read: non-objectionable) content can still be fundamentally immoral due to the values and implicit lessons inherent in the story apart from any PSV category: I agree completely, and I don't think anything in the series so far has contradicted this. Many movies can have no 'content' issues, but problematic moral issues in 'context' (the "Gs being re-rated R" idea)--no argument there.

But the notion that going the other direction, that a moral context automatically excuses objectionable content (the "Rs being re-rated PG" idea) is a little different--unless you have a solid case that content has no inherent psychological effect, a moral context can't make a movie with R-rated content the equivalent of a PG movie, no matter what spiritual or moral lesson it provides. Content has to be judged first, before moral or immoral contexts can be considered.

What if the purpose of the rating system *is* in fact to judge discrete instances of sex, violence, and profanity--because that's still important--and they're not supposed to be a judge of context at all. Any adult movie goer knows that a G or a PG movie can still be 'immoral' at heart, but a rating system designed to make contextual moral judgments would be even more subjective than they are now. What if the viewer is supposed to determine for themselves whether the contextual values of a movie agree with their own moral values...but that PSV levels in movies are still an important enough factor to make note of in terms of general categories. Ratings don't need to be about context: in fact, arguably they shouldn't. Ratings should focus on content, until and unless it has been determined that PSV content no longer matters, to kids or to adults. I don't think we've reached that point, yet.
7/12/2008 4:51 PM

#3: Dennis

Many movies can have no 'content' issues, but problematic moral issues in 'context' (the "Gs being re-rated R" idea)--no argument there.


I wonder if you're unnecessarily separating content from context. There is no content-less context just as there is no context-less content. For example, if Disney movies are communicating unrealistic body image expectations, then we would expect there to be "content" that portrays this (e.g., unrealistically thin characters). How could it be otherwise? Moreover, this content could be considered to be "objectionable." So I would disagree with your claim here. I would say, rather, that any movie with problematic moral issues in 'context' must of necessity have "content" issues. Unless of course you define "content" issues rather narrowly (e.g., PSV), but I think that's somewhat arbitrary and begging the question.

Content has to be judged first, before moral or immoral contexts can be considered.


Again, this is begging the question. Says who? Who says that a movie rating system should do this? It certainly doesn't have to. More importantly, this is impossible anyway. To judge content presumes a moral context -- we would notice one thing rather than another because of the underlying moral framework of the rating system.

What if the purpose of the rating system *is* in fact to judge discrete instances of sex, violence, and profanity--because that's still important--and they're not supposed to be a judge of context at all.


Well, this is what I'm arguing against. I could certainly ask a similar question that includes being a judge of context. Clearly we have different views on what a rating systems should be. I would say, though, it is impossible to "judge discrete instances of sex, violence, and profanity" without a moral framework.
7/13/2008 12:05 AM

#4: Dennis

What if the viewer is supposed to determine for themselves whether the contextual values of a movie agree with their own moral values...but that PSV levels in movies are still an important enough factor to make note of in terms of general categories.


This is a very important question, and I'm glad you asked it. Do you see what you're assuming with this question, though? How can I determine for myself whether the contextual values of a movie agree with my own values without either (a) seeing it or (b) some kind of rating or recommendation, however informal? I could certainly throw the question the other way: "What if the viewer is supposed to determine for themselves whether PSV levels in movies agree with their own moral values...but that contextual values in movies are still an important enough factor to make not of in terms of general categories." You would likely answer, of course, that this would be problematic because people want to avoid movies with certain PSV levels -- and I absolutely agree. But why couldn't it be the case the other way around? I have no interest in seeing a movie that promotes the values that I brought up in my comment above. I would argue that doing so has a "psychological" effect just as seeing undesired PSV does. It certainly hasn't been "determined" that movies with damning context don't matter -- spiritually or psychologically -- and I don't think we'll ever reach that point, at least not scientifically. It is a moral issue, not a scientific one. If we as a society want to promote a rating system that does this (for moral reasons) we certainly can.

Any adult movie goer knows that a G or a PG movie can still be 'immoral' at heart, but a rating system designed to make contextual moral judgments would be even more subjective than they are now.


The subjectivity is a problem only if movie ratings are univocal. What I am envisioning is a movie rating system that is multivocal -- not captured in a single category. We could even have raters from several interest groups that rate movies and I as a consumer can pay attention to the ratings that I care about. I can go online, for example, and see that the latest Disney movie does not have profanity, sex, or violence. But I can also see that the "women's issues" raters have flagged it as an 8 out of 10 in promoting unrealistic views. I can see that the "seniors issues" raters have flagged it as a 7 out of 10 in promoting damaging ageist values. We can have the "science issues" raters who rate it as a 4 out or 10 in promoting unhealthy views regarding science and industry, and so on. I can simply pay attention to the ratings that matter to me. I might really value a certain issue, and this could be a major asset to me in seeing or not seeing a movie. If it were up to me, as far as univocal ratings go, I would preserve only the R, NC-17 and X ratings (out of mere practicality). All other movies would be unrated. Consumers and parents would be responsible for actually researching the movies themselves, according to the values that they care about. In this respect, subjectivity is not at all a problem.

Ratings don't need to be about context: in fact, arguably they shouldn't. Ratings should focus on content, until and unless it has been determined that PSV content no longer matters, to kids or to adults.


Again, I could say the same thing the other way (but I wouldn't because I think that both context and content matter -- because, once again, they are inseparable).

One last thing to consider, from Elder David R. Stone's fantastic General Conference address in April 2006: We do not need to adopt the standards, the mores, and the morals of Babylon.
We can create Zion in the midst of Babylon. We can have our own standards for music and literature and dance and film and language. We can have our own standards for dress and deportment, for politeness and respect.
7/13/2008 12:05 AM

#5: Nemesis

The most profound statement of all is that any ratings system is subjective. The things that offend me deeply may be perfectly acceptable to you.

7/13/2008 6:42 AM

#6: Nephi

I agree that a system as seen on the 'Kids-in-Mind' website would work better than the current MPAA rating system.

It may not work but I would probably try to simplify the complicated. A movie is either G...or PG-something. So if The Dark Knight received 2-7-3 sex/nudity-2 violence/gore-7 profanity-3 you add those numbers together and it equals 12, so it would be PG-12.

The problem with that is a movie with 10 violence with no nudity or language would be PG10. That would not work. Well not only should there be a drug category like you mentioned but sex, nudity, violence, and gore should all be separate numbers. So this way if there is 10 in violence, and 10 in gore but no nudity, sex, drugs, or profanity it still has 20 points against it.

The catch to all this is I would want to see strict observance, or at least the same observance already given to rated R films and the use of ID. Almost every kid 11 and older has a school id. If a film is rated PG12 and the kid is 11 they can not see that film. The system could be G, PG (which allows anyone 11 and younger), PG-12, PG-15, PG-18. Anything over 18 points is automatically PG-18 as there is nothing listed above that. If a movie is 13 points is is rounded down to a PG-12, if a movie gains a total of 14 points it is rounded up to a PG-15.

If you want the details for the ratings go on the internet, or at a store scan the barcode at a register or customer kiosk and the details will be given.

This way parents can also block their tv or media player to the number level for each category to what they care to bring into their own home.

I think trying to rate the moral message of a movie is even more troubled than giving numbers to specific things such as nudity or violence.

For example this is the moral message of The Dark Knight according to the website 'kids-in-mind':

"Important matters should not be decided by chance. Trying to do good but not succeeding, can turn someone into a nihilist"

That is totally against what I got. This the moral message according to me:

"Evil is real, but people as a whole are not evil, and can do what is good. Sometimes protecting what is good and right means taking on the sins of others."

Thus a moral rating is COMPLETELY opinion.
7/31/2008 6:51 PM

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